Marc and Mariame Kaba discuss Mariame's book; We Do This 'Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transforming Justice

On this episode Marc talks with organizer, educator, curator and NYT Best Selling Author Mariame Kaba sit down to discuss Mariame's new book; We Do This 'Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transforming Justice. The two unpack abolition organizing, the origins of the penitentiary, the prison industrial complex and what justice reform truly means.